In the final episode of Season 2, Charles welcomes guest Jim Turbert, an American communication technologist and podcaster based in Rotterdam. Jim's passion for music, his eye for visual storytelling, and his multifaceted career journey create an engaging narrative. Jim shares his experiences and stories from various concerts he attended, starting with his first show seeing Ringo Starr at the age of 13. He recounts how his uncle influenced his music interests and took him to numerous concerts over the years. Jim highlights memorable concerts like seeing The Afghan Whigs, Mike Watt and Nels Cline, Sigur Rós, and his disappointing experience at The Eagles' 'When Hell Freezes Over' tour. One notable story involves losing a shoe at a Nirvana concert, which Kurt Cobain threw backstage. Jim also touches on his podcast, 'Feel Free to Deviate,' where he discusses people's careers and success. Jim also outlines his current work in photography and at a high-end headphone store in Rotterdam.
In the final episode of Season 2, Charles welcomes Jim Turbert, an American communication technologist and podcaster residing in Rotterdam. Jim reflects on his first concert at age 13, where Ringo Starr's performance left a lasting impression, partly thanks to his music-loving uncle who influenced his musical tastes. He recounts various memorable concerts, including a powerful Afghan Wigs show in Boston, where lead singer Greg Dooley's storytelling made the performance unforgettable, even despite later learning Dooley's on-stage declaration of being on acid was untrue.
Jim shares his appreciation for technically proficient artists like Mike Watt and Nels Cline, recounting a particularly electrifying performance that displayed exceptional guitar skills. His experiences underscore the importance of venue acoustics and crowd energy, such as how silence and attention at a Sigur Rós concert added to the immersive quality of the show. Conversely, he describes a disappointing Eagles concert during their 'When Hell Freezes Over' tour due to multiple breaks and inflated egos.
A standout anecdote involves Jim losing a shoe while crowd-surfing at a Nirvana concert, only to have Kurt Cobain toss it backstage, leaving him to navigate the chilly New England night unshod. Amid these personal stories, Jim also touches on the broader implications of concert experiences, including nostalgic reflections on hitchhiking back from a Sonic Youth concert with friends and the pure joy of witnessing an early White Stripes performance in a frat house setting.
In addition to sharing concert stories, Jim speaks about his podcast, 'Feel Free to Deviate,' which delves into people's career paths and their relationships with success. The podcast captures various personal and professional journeys, underscoring Jim's curiosity and communication skills.
BANDS: Afghan Wigs, Aerosmith, Beatles, Black Crows, Blackfoot, Breeders, Clarence Clemens, Deep Purple, Dire Straits, Dr. John, The Eagles, Joe Walsh, Led Zeppelin, Living Color, Lounge Acts, Mason Ruffner, Ministry, Minutemen, Nazareth, Nick Cave, Nils Lofgren, Otoboke Beaver, Porno for Pyros, Radiohead, Ringo Starr, Rolling Stones, Sigur Rós, Soundgarden, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Sonic Youth, Ten Years After, the Doors, U2, Walter Trout, White Stripes, Willie Preston.
VENUES: T. T. the Bears, Row Town, Lansdowne Street, Lake Compounce, University of Massachusetts, Panarchy, Orpheum, University of Vermont, Berklee Performance Center.
[00:00:00] Charles: Our guest today is Jim Turbert. Jim is an American who lives in Rotterdam with his family. He describes himself as a communication technologist, which means he uses text, sound, and images to instruct, entertain, and elucidate. Jim is also the creator and host of the Feel Free to Deviate podcast. You can find his work at JimTurbert.com. Jim, welcome to Seeing Them Live.
[00:00:29] Jim: Thank you for having me. A pleasure to be here.
[00:00:32] Charles: Thanks for coming on. We've got a lot to talk about. You know, all of my guests they always have so much to share, especially like you were saying before we just started how once you start recalling some of your concert stories and others start to pop up.
[00:00:50] Jim: It's a waterfall, a cascade.
[00:00:52] Charles: Right. So, we'll just we'll just let it flow. We've shared between us a few points we'll cover and then whatever else pops up. Okay. So uh, yeah, you were what, 13 and you wanted to see Ringo Starr. This was 1989.
[00:01:07] Jim: Yeah.
[00:01:07] Charles: That was your first show. And you had you had a strategy that I guess wasn't working initially to win tickets off the radio. You know, it's funny, Jim is I just interviewed this guy. And he used that strategy to his success. Bit of a night owl when he was in high school and stuff. So, he would listen to the radio and they would give away tickets like late at night. And that's how he went to a lot of concerts by winning them off the radio.
[00:01:32] Jim: But regularly more than once.
[00:01:34] Charles: Oh yeah. They knew him by name. So anyway, that you were trying to do that. And maybe your uncle took pity on you or something?
[00:01:42] Jim: He took pity on me, basically. Or either that or my mother asked him to. Yeah, I, I, I'm going to guess that he took pity on me because my, my uncle, I'm not saying that he's the reason that I got into listening to music, but I would go and listen to records in his basement all the time when I was a kid and he used to, he used to make me tapes of things that he thought I should listen to so yeah, he kind of intervened whether it was because my mom wanted me to stop calling the radio station constantly or if it was because he he wanted to go see the show, too.
[00:02:14] I you know, it could, I'm, not even sure like as a 13-year-old kid I'm, not sure why I would be pumped up to go see Ringo Starr in his All-Star Band but I think it's probably just because, you know, my parents listened to The Beatles. I grew up listening to The Beatles. Everybody knows every single Beatles song, every made, ever Made, and all of the, the, the lineup was a bunch of guys.
[00:02:33] So if you're like a kid who's, who's digging into classic rock, you know, like Joe Walsh is there what's his name? The New Orleans Piano Player, uh.
[00:02:42] Charles: Dr. John.
[00:02:43] Jim: Dr. John There were a ton of guys on the list and I was just like, oh, this would be really cool to go see. And, and, and I mean, it kind of was, but the thing that I remember most about the show mostly was going there, waiting for the show to start and a comment that my uncle made. One of the songs they played was, "you're 16, you're beautiful and your mine." And my uncle said, yeah, you wish. You know at the time, I don't know how old Ringo was at the time, but probably like 60.
[00:03:14] Charles: Yeah. I'm sure he was up there. I looked at the list of musicians and you know, I would hear from time to time, you know, Ringo's touring, and I'm like, oh yeah, All Star Band, but I never really. I never really looked into it. Like, what's the composition of this All-Star Band? And yeah, Max Weinberg, Levon Helm, Willie Preston, Nils Lofgren, Joe Walsh, Clarence Clemens. Top-notch people there playing with him.
[00:03:41] Jim: For real and I have no idea what those guys had going on at the time, but I'm sure that Ringo is just like they were like, yeah sure Ringo. We'll go and we'll take the paycheck. No problem.
[00:03:50] Charles: Yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's an impressive list for sure. that was the first time based on your, interview question that you answered, the first time I really kinda looked into it like, yeah, who is in this All-Star Band and it's a pretty good band.
[00:04:03] Jim: it's not bad. And honestly, I remember very little about what was actually played that day but yeah, it was, it was a nice day. It was like an open-air kind of thing. I think it was at Lake Compounce, which was an amusement park, maybe even a racetrack was there. Anyway, in the, in the 90s or the late eighties, early nineties, they started having rock show or rock shows and pop shows there. And it became a popular, a popular venue for, for mainstream acts in Connecticut at that time.
[00:04:32] Charles: And after that, did, did he take you to other concerts as well?
[00:04:35] Jim: So many, so many like, oh, into adulthood, even. Unfortunately, he passed away a while ago, like 15 years ago. But we would just meet up occasionally and, you know, our interest kind of drifted apart, you know. Towards the end, I wouldn't end up going to see like white blues guys with him, and that's not really my thing these days but it was cool like he was super into this guy called Walter Trout and uh I never saw that with him, but I kind of wanted to because now I live in the Netherlands and evidently Walter Trout is huge in the Netherlands so I thought it would be cool.
[00:05:07] But you know, he's dead. So that's not happening. But yeah, shortly after that I saw Don Henley with him, which You There's going to be, there's going to be some Joe Walsh, Don Hendley continuity in this conversation, but it was a good show. One of your questions on your questionnaire that you filled in it was do you save things? Ticket stubs. So, I was looking and I've, and it's, and it's funny cause you mentioned that I was 13 years old and I'm going to show you and I used to put the ticket stubs in, do you remember these, photo albums with the crappy glue pages?
[00:05:38] You can see how it's all oxidized around the side, but this is the, this is the one for Ringo. First concert, Ringo Starr and his All-Star Band, Mason Ruffner opened with Buddy. Buddy was my uncle. And then next down the line is the Rolling Stones with Living Color with my dad and Buddy and Aerosmith with Black Crows.
[00:05:58] Ten Years After with Blackfoot and Nazareth and Don Henley, Deep Purple. Like, it just goes on. And most of these, most of these like classic rock bands that were in their cashing in on fame and celebrity phase of their careers, that I went to go see all these guys with him like going to see Deep Purple in what? 1991? Like what's the point? But, yeah, you know, oh, it's I see Susanna Hoffs open for Don Henley and I don't remember that but that was probably pretty fun.
[00:06:26] Charles: Yeah, when, when I looked through my ticket stuff, as you mentioned, Mason Ruffner. Apparently, I saw Mason Ruffner cause I have a ticket stub, and I know who I went with one of my friends who was into that kind of music he confirmed it with me, but, but yeah, sometimes I look at those ticket stubs and I'm like, huh. But there's lots of things like that that we'll talk about in a, in a little bit, when we talk about your podcast, these I think you call them gaps of knowledge, like gaps in your knowledge. I was, I was listening to one of your episodes with Eric Miller
[00:06:56] Jim: Yeah.
[00:06:57] Charles: And you guys talked about that. So, we'll, we'll chat about that in just a bit. Cause I have, I have lots of gaps in knowledge. And when I talk to people and they talk about these shows and things, or they fill out the guest form like, oh, wow. And then I started looking into like, oh man, I didn't know that. You feel like you should, but in the grand scheme of things, there's so much and so much interconnectivity, it's impossible.
[00:07:18] Jim: And it doesn't matter. Don't tell anybody, but it doesn't matter.
[00:07:22] Charles: Exactly. Well, that's cool. So, you had a cool uncle and lots of shows. That's fantastic. Also, on the form you filled out, you said you have a hard time with superlatives and that's, you know, exactly how the form is. Your best concert, the surprising, et cetera, et cetera. So, it's kind of listed a few things and one of them was you moved to Boston, I guess from Connecticut.
[00:07:47] Jim: Yeah, yeah, I went to, I went to the University of Vermont for a year and then I had, I had to leave for financial reasons. And I spent the summer in, at my parents’ house in Connecticut. And after that summer, I moved to Boston with the intention of becoming a state resident so I could go to the Massachusetts College of Art. The only state run art school in the country, you know, that's not part of a university. One of the only things I could do to keep myself busy was going shows and that's what I did.
[00:08:14] Charles: Yeah. And so you, you were, you described yourself as friendless, making that move and you went to go see the Afghan Wigs.
[00:08:22] Jim: I did. It was great. It was that wasn't the first show that I saw, but it was among the first and possibly the most memorable. Although I did see, I was looking at my, my stubs and I saw some others that I had kind of forgotten. But yeah, I went there and I tried, I had my, I had a roommate. You know, but he had a girlfriend, they weren't that into it.
[00:08:41] This guy, Eric Miller that, that I, I had on my podcast that you, you just mentioned, he was a student at Berkeley college of music at the time. And I asked him to go, but yeah, he was super steeped in jazz and he just did not care. And I probably asked Yeah, like this is, this is how shallow my, my list of connections was.
[00:09:01] And like my, my roommate's girlfriend's friend, I asked, that was it. But that was, that was, those were the only people I could ask. And maybe, maybe someone I worked with at a restaurant and nobody, nobody was interested. So I went by myself and also looking at my stubs, I see. I didn't buy the ticket in advance.
[00:09:20] I must have bought it at the door because it's just one of those it's like a little It looks like a raffle ticket, you'd get at the county fair or something. It's just ripped in half It's, it's not even a proper ticket stub, but I wrote next to it Afghan Wigs blah, blah, blah.
[00:09:32] So I go into the show not expecting anything. I mean expecting it to be good because I like the Afghan Wigs at this point, I was super into their last record. I guess it was Black Love maybe was the tour. And, yeah, it must have been Black Love. And I, it just started and it felt like it was a super long show in a good way not in a long and boring way. But they just kept playing stuff. You know, he was he told the entire crowd that he was on acid and he was going off and spewing these crazy stories. He did this ridiculous cover of, of the Lauren Hill song For Zion. And like and I had no idea. I didn't listen to Lauren Hill.
[00:10:13] I didn't know who it was. It's just like, this song is crazy. It's so good. Which is kind of ironic because at this, at this very time, one of the jobs that I had in Boston was working in a trolley ticket for sightseeing tours. And I had no money. I had no money. And all day long, there was, I would eat this crappy, this crappy pasta salad that I made. But the place right next to me was a Cinnabon shop. So, all day long, I was smelling cinnamon buns. And it was like the most tempting and delicious thing. But combine that with, on the radio, the Fugees were in constant rotation. It was just like, ah. So yeah, Lauryn Hill for Zion. I had no idea who it was.
[00:10:54] It was just. Part of the show that made it really great. He interacted with the audience, not with me, but with the rest of the audience. I left feeling like, like I had seen something special and I really just wanted to share it with people. And I didn't have anybody at the time. It was, it was a particularly lonely period of my life. And that was one of the highlights of that year. It was, it was fantastic.
[00:11:12] Charles: Now, so Greg Dooley, he's the lead singer, right? And he's the one, he said he was on acid. But then you said years later, when you saw the Afghan Wigs, he denied it. And I was curious to know, like, did you speak with him or is that something he told the crowd years later?
[00:11:30] Jim: He mentioned it to the crowd. I wish he confided in me directly, but no, he, he told the crowd. He told the crowd, he said, you know, last time I was here. Yeah. I can't remember exactly how he said it, but it was, it came up casually. I don't know. Like, I don't know if you've ever seen them or if you're interested in them at all.
[00:11:46] But he tells stories when they, when they play. So, and I, I, this must've been the 1985 tour. Maybe, I can't remember the, the chronology of their records. But, or it's 1965. What's the name of the record? I don't know. It doesn't matter. He said it on stage. To the crowd. He was not on acid. It didn't really ruin it for me because, as far as I was concerned, he could have been on acid that night.
[00:12:11] Charles: Well, it's kind of funny that it must have been sort of weighing on his mind or something that he had to like, I've got to get this off my chest before we go any further with this concert.
[00:12:20] Jim: Maybe there was a lawsuit and he really had to get on the record saying he was not on drugs.
[00:12:25] Charles: Yeah, no, that's, it's kind of funny. Years later, he sets the record straight in front of a crowd.
[00:12:31] Jim: But it's also great that he remembered, like, it was, like, it was worth note, it worth, it was noteworthy for him, because it was definitely noteworthy for me.
[00:12:40] Charles: Well, yeah, you get to see both shows. And so, he, yeah, he set the record straight. Anything Else you want to add about that concert?
[00:12:48] Jim: No, not really. It's just, you know, it was one of those, those, well, you don't know because you're from Chicago, but it was on Lansdowne Street, which has, has it's, that's where the, the Red Sox play, but it's also, at least it used to be where there were a lot of just kind of normal Disco type clubs, you know, there were a couple of them Axis Avalon over the years. They changed names so I don't know what they're called now, but most of the clientele was just normal. So yeah, just to set the scene a bit.
[00:13:15] Charles: Okay. Now uh, again, under this, the list of some of your best concerts you had listed Mike Watt who was the uh, bass player for the Minutemen. He was touring with Nels Kline, I guess, on uh, oh, goodness. I wrote down the Contemplating the Engine Room.
[00:13:35] Jim: The Engine Room. Contemplating the Engine Room. Yeah.
[00:13:38] Charles: And you saw him at this place called T. T. the Bears. Right?
[00:13:42] Jim: Yeah.
[00:13:42] Charles: So go ahead.
[00:13:43] Jim: I actually saw him. I actually saw him touring for that record probably three times. And I don't know, Mike Watt's solo records, he just kind of gets, he has, he has guys that he usually uses, but it's generally an all-star roster. It's like, it's like the, the punk rock equivalent of Ringo Starr and his All-Star Band.
[00:14:02] So, so like on his first solo record, you know, there's Jay Maskis, there's Eddie Vedder, there's, there's like just, just this huge roster of, of, of indie credibility and, and it's, and it's amazing, but his, I think it's his second solo record. It's called Contemplating the Engine Room and it's, he calls it his rock opera about, it's kind of like about where he comes from and, and, and in California.
[00:14:30] And it's about like D Boone from the Minutemen. It's about his, his dad and his, in his career in the Navy. And it's, it's, it's like, it's like, this is where I come from is basically what it is. And he calls it the, he was calling it the, his rock opera. And it's an amazing record. You should go listen to it if you haven't.
[00:14:48] But you know, when you have this roster of amazing guys, you can't always get them to tour with you. So, the first two times I saw him, there was another guy playing who was amazing. He was amazing and it sounded great. And I love the shows. They were good shows, but then the third time was at TTs, small club in Boston.
[00:15:06] It's unfortunately closed now. He was calling it the Putting the Album to Bed tour because I don't know, maybe they were touring for three years. They were touring for a really long time on this record. And place was packed, of course, because it's a tiny club and it's Mike Watt.
[00:15:19] And it was just so much fun. It was just so much fun. Everything about it was so much fun. The energy was good. Mike Watt is a good showman. He's he, you know, he addresses the audience. He's it's like a lot of back and forth, like halfway through the thing, something happened to his amp. And he's like, he's trying to get someone to help him with the amp.
[00:15:36] And he just. He leaves the stage, he leaves the club and goes out to the van or the bus or whatever, comes back with a new amp head, plugs a thing in. It's just like, this is like, it's like part of the legend, you know? It's like, this is, he's like, he's the road warrior. And, and of course, he's got Nels Klein here on stage with him.
[00:15:53] And Nels Klein is a ridiculously good guitar player, technically proficient. One of those guys that really knows his electronics and he used, he can, he integrates his skill with the electronics into his playing perfectly, but if he just wants to go off, it's like he leaves the planet. It's insane. And at a certain point, it's like, of course he's ripping, he's ripping it up through, through the entire show.
[00:16:19] And then there was just this one section where it was his time. Like, it's like, okay, we're all just going to sit back and let Nels do his thing. And he's going off. And I just remember, I was just like, oh, like it was, it wasn't, it was just like. Yeah, I mean I've seen so many shows and so many of the like legendary guitar players and this was, I as someone who has a hard time with superlatives.
[00:16:42] I have to say this was the best live guitar I've ever seen in my entire life it was, maybe it was the energy of the room. Again, I was by myself. Nobody went with me. But it yeah, it was fantastic and I just remember these guys standing in front of me. They're like who's that and I leaned forward. I was like, Nels Klein and they're just like looking at me. They're like, thanks, dude Yeah, it was just I know it's just really good the whole the whole thing was good Yeah, it just blew my mind.
[00:17:12] Charles: Yeah, the club, you know, I think I'd mentioned in an email back to you about, I was, I had never heard of TT, The Bear, the club. But it sounded like it had kind of the same vibe as this place in Chicago called Lounge Acts. It, it holds like 300 people, both clubs, you know, approximately. And yeah, there's like just some really cool bands that have, you know, come through those places.
[00:17:35] And so, yeah, the room, you know, matters sometimes, or they feed off of it, you know, the band and back and forth so that, yeah, that sounds like a, a cool show, but I have a, a Mike Watt knowledge gap myself. We'll get back to that in a, in a bit when we talk about your podcast.
[00:17:53] Jim: I'm not sure I can fill that in for you.
[00:17:55] Charles: You sort of did fill it in, cause you're like the second or third person I've interviewed who mentioned Mike Watt.
[00:18:02] Jim: Oh, nice.
[00:18:03] Charles: So, I started doing some research on it and I was kind of surprised to find something out that I didn't know that maybe, I think I did see Mike Watt live and I didn't realize it.
[00:18:14] Jim: He played with Porno for Pyros for a while too.
[00:18:17] Charles: That's the show. So yeah, I saw both tours of Porno for Pyros and, yeah, he had replaced Martin Lenoble, bass player, because of a terrible drug problem at the time. And yeah, Mike Watt was there, I guess.
[00:18:32] Jim: Rock solid.
[00:18:33] Charles: I didn't realize it was him, or I should have maybe taken more notice of him when he was there right in front of me.
[00:18:39] Jim: You should also check out the, the Minutemen record, like double nickels on the dime. It's a, it's a classic. I don't know if you've heard it, but it's like, it’s mind blowing. Like you, a lot of people think of punk rock as being sloppy and ineffectual, but the technical skill is insane. They're just like locked in. It's amazing. It's great. You got to check it out.
[00:18:57] Charles: I definitely want to check out more of his, his stuff. I'll definitely take a look at that. You had also mentioned this Sigur Rós.
[00:19:05] Jim: Yeah. Sigur Rós, they're Icelandic. I don't know if that, I don't know if that's not how you say it, but most of the people I know say Sigur Rós. Yeah.
[00:19:12] Charles: Okay. Yeah. And this was a Berkeley Performance Center they played at.
[00:19:17] Jim: Yeah.
[00:19:17] Charles: And that is that, that's where your friend.
[00:19:19] Jim: Yeah, it's like this this legendary jazz school like Chick Corea went there and I don't know. It's like it's a place where musicians, jazz musicians most of the time. Oh, Dream Theater, that band Dream Theater is from Berkeley, I think. Anyway, it's a, it's a proper theater.
[00:19:34] It's not even that Sigur Rós is my jam. I think when that record came out, it was not like anything I was listening to at the time. So, it made an impact on me because I liked it so much. And it was so, it was just so different. It was so different and quiet and mellow and laid back.
[00:19:48] And the fact that it was in this proper music hall with amazing acoustics and there were seats and everyone had a seat and it was quiet, we were all just sitting. And the thing starts like it's, if you listen to the record, it's like, it starts with this sonar ping sound. So, the place is just dead silent.
[00:20:05] The entire crowd is maybe talking and then, and it starts and it starts the record and it's like listening to the record, but you're in a comfortable seat and the sound is better because your stereo sucks.
[00:20:17] Charles: Yeah. Now they sing in like a made up language, right?
[00:20:21] Jim: Oh, I don't know, I assume it's Icelandic, but maybe it's made up. Sounds made up.
[00:20:26] Charles: I thought I read they called it like Hopelandic or something, but we'll have to check that out. I'm not sure that's a, that's a question for later. Because you're like a, you pay attention to the sound, it seems you, that's your, one of your things. And so, when you said, like it was, you know, the performance, the, the quality of it or the attention I guess of detail to the sound, really was impressive to you as somebody who, that's your jam basically.
[00:20:53] Jim: Well, I mean, it's kind of my it's kind of like I For instance right now. I work in a high-end headphone store. So, like, like yeah, I really dig on The equipment I really dig on the quality of the sound of course the music and the song is the most important part. But you know, I want it to sound as good as it can possibly sound. And as someone who listens to a lot of indie rock, you don't always get that. So, when you do get it, it's kind of mind blowing.
[00:21:18] Charles: Sounds like a really interesting setting. Ah, think it was last year I saw The National.
[00:21:23] Jim: Oh nice. I bet that was good.
[00:21:25] Charles: Yeah, at the Auditorium Theater in Chicago and the same kind of thing. I mean, you could hear a pin drop in there where this was sold out, and yeah, the sound was, was just awesome as compared to like seeing a concert at the United Center in Chicago, which is, could be pretty awful.
[00:21:43] Jim: Is that like a giant? Giant?
[00:21:44] Charles: The Chicago Bulls play there.
[00:21:46] Jim: Okay. Right, right. Okay.
[00:21:48] Charles: Yeah, it's, it's night and day, but yeah, they played three shows there. And yeah, the sound was, was fantastic. And like you said, the crowd cooperated, they were very quiet, you know.
[00:21:59] Jim: It's part of the experience. Yeah, it really makes a difference. I think it's great.
[00:22:03] Charles: Yeah. Okay. So, you put down your most disappointing concert, When Hell Freezes Over tour. And I'd mentioned to you, I wanted to say that that was kind of, from what I remember, like the turning point of outrageous concert tickets or the start of it. They were charging like, I don't know, $200 a seat or something, which was insane at the time. I think they were one of the first bands to command at that time, that it was like the start of high price tickets.
[00:22:32] Jim: Yeah. Maybe Madonna could get away with it at that time, but that's probably about it.
[00:22:37] Charles: But, yeah, you weren't really that impressed with their show.
[00:22:40] Jim: I hated that show. I hated it.
[00:22:42] Charles: Well, part of it was did they take a bunch of breaks or one break?
[00:22:45] Jim: At least one break, but the first one was the most memorable because it was like 15 minutes into the show.
[00:22:50] Charles: Mm.
[00:22:51] Jim: But yeah. First of all, I’d like to say that I did not spend $200 bucks to see the Eagles. I can't remember what the name of the venue is, but it's I think it's called Tanglewood or Great Woods or, I can't remember what it's actually called, but it's in Massachusetts. I think it's in western Massachusetts, and they have a seated area and then they have a lawn. So, we were in lawn seats. And the lawn seats are not $200 bucks. So, we did not spend that much on tickets, thankfully. Cause if we did, I would have murdered somebody.
[00:23:19] Yeah, we got there. We were on the lawn, mixed weather. It eventually cleared up, but there was a point where we all got wet and then it started to get cold. They took forever to start.
[00:23:29] Charles: Oh, I hate that. I hate when the band's really late.
[00:23:32] Jim: Just do it guys. Just do it. You're getting paid a lot of money. And then they, they broke it up into different things. Like they started the show off with an all-acoustic set. So, it's all the dudes like, I don't know, it seemed like there was a hundred of them, but of course it's like seven Eagles on the stage, sitting on stools with their acoustic guitars, just kind of like, yeah, like it's us.
[00:23:52] And they're like, oh, can you believe we're on stage together? This is crazy. And they start playing. I don't even know what they started with. It doesn't, it doesn't matter because it was, it was just a song that you've heard before that you probably don't care about unless you're like a super Eagles fan.
[00:24:09] And you know, they're looking at each other, exchanging glances and head nods and like, yeah. We're really feeling this. This is great. And then they, of course the crowd loves it because they spent $200 bucks to see this, band of dudes play together for the first time in 20 years or whatever it was, I don't know.
[00:24:26] And then, you know, after the acoustic set, they're just like, we're going to take a quick break. It's like literally 15 minutes. 15 minutes. I was like, what do you what do you mean dude? We've been waiting out here all day and it was raining and this sucks. And then they come back and they like, you know, they start they divvy up the time with like Don Henley played some stuff. One of the guy’s names is Timothy B. Schmidt. I had no idea that he had solo stuff. But evidently, he had some solo stuff. He played some solo stuff. Glenn Fry played Smuggler's Blues. Do you remember that? That was Glenn Fry's big solo hit? The only one who really had solo hits was Don Henley, I guess.
[00:25:03] And then Joe Walsh. I'm not gonna badmouth Joe Walsh, because I love Joe Walsh. He was the best part of the show. I love James Gang. I love solo Joe Walsh. Any Eagles song that Joe Walsh is the front man on is okay by me. Don Henley can get away with some stuff too.
[00:25:17] I mean, don't tell anybody, but I dig a lot of Don Henley songs. Like, Boys of Summer is sick. I love that song. Witchy Woman, I think, is a Don Henley song. Dirty Laundry. Dirty Laundry. That's a good song, man.
[00:25:30] Charles: Yeah, he can write some good songs, for sure.
[00:25:33] Jim: He does. But Joe Walsh is just like, he's funny, amazing guitar player. He's like, I wish he was my neighbor so I could just hang out with him.
[00:25:40] Charles: Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:41] Jim: But anyway, it was a long show, several breaks. Just like this kind of, we're so full of ourselves attitude, charging a ridiculous amount of money. The whole thing was terrible.
[00:25:50] And the only reason I went was because it was with a bunch of people I went to high school with. This is like. I can't remember if it was the summer that I graduated or the summer after. After my first year of school, I worked with, with some guys that, that I, that I went to high school with and, and he was just like, oh, me and my girlfriend got tickets. Do you want to come? I was like, yeah, sure. So, I went and, I was the only one that wasn't having a good time though.
[00:26:12] They were all like, we love the Eagles. We're so glad we heard all of our songs. Yeah. You gotta take into account that I come from a place in rural Connecticut. When you're growing up, there are two options. There's top 40 radio and classic rock radio. So, unless you're one of the people who really actively looks for other stuff to listen to, you're listening to Steve Miller, Cat Stevens, the Eagles, like the same classic rock radio fodder that happens over and over again. And some of it's amazing. And some of it is just so tedious.
[00:26:44] Charles: Yeah, well, you know, sometimes, yeah, you just go along to the show with your friends.
[00:26:49] Jim: Yeah. And they were good. They're good kids. We had, we had a good time. Otherwise.
[00:26:53] Charles: Yeah, sometimes you're surprised and sometimes you're, you're not. You're soaking wet. I saw Dire Straits like that out outside on the lawn, and somebody poured a beer like on my back.
[00:27:04] Jim: Oh, that's the worst.
[00:27:06] Charles: Like two songs in, you know, it was an accident, but it was like, my God, not fun.
[00:27:11] Jim: No, I hear you.
[00:27:12] Charles: Well, your most surprising story is so funny Jim, and, I was telling, every time I retell it, I start laughing. I can't I can't get the whole story out without, without laughing.
[00:27:25] Jim: Right.
[00:27:26] Charles: So, this is this is a Nirvana story.
[00:27:29] Jim: Indeed.
[00:27:30] Charles: I wasn't sure what tour this was on.
[00:27:32] Jim: it was the last tour. It must've been 1993. I was a senior in high school. I don't remember exactly. I think I have the ticket stub. In Springfield, Massachusetts.
[00:27:40] Charles: Yes. Okay. I guess I was looking because they didn't play anywhere in Boston.
[00:27:45] Jim: No, it was Springfield.
[00:27:46] Charles: Yeah. So anyway, go ahead and, and maybe set the stage for that Nirvana story.
[00:27:52] Jim: I mean, it was 1993 and, you know, everyone loved Nirvana, everyone, every single person. I mean, not just music kids, like everyone. And I was thinking about the, the dynamics of the, the actual show today. And, and maybe some of the reason that this happened was because everyone was into it, you've got this mix of, you know, rock kids and like jocks and all kinds of other folks.
[00:28:15] But, um, Yeah, I went with a bunch of friends. We met up at, at someone's house and we drove up. And we got there, we hung out it says that The Breeders opened up. I didn't remember that, but I love The Breeders too. So that was evidently a bonus. Yeah, the show started it was good.
[00:28:29] I don't remember being like, oh my god This is a mind-blowing experience. But you know, it was a good show. They were playing. They sounded like Nirvana and we were all really happy we were there. And as one did in the 90s, I was crowd surfing and someone, some fine person in the audience grabbed my shoe and tore it off my foot, and proceeded to throw it on the stage.
[00:28:52] I don't know if they were trying to throw it at Kurt, but it landed very close to Kurt and Kurt picked it up and threw it backstage. He didn't throw it back into the audience. He threw it backstage. I was just like, dude, that's my shoe. And it was a relatively new cross trainer, a relatively new Nike cross trainer.
[00:29:08] And at the time $80 shoes were a big deal to me. So, so, I was a little bit disappointed. Also, here I am at a Nirvana show with everybody stomping around with a bare foot. Anyway, I did fine. I was a sizable dude. I, I could hold my own in the pit as it were. And uh, the show ended, I waited and I waited till everybody left.
[00:29:29] So me and maybe one, one or two of my friends were the last people in the whole place and there was a roadie or someone who worked for the venue cleaning up. And I was like, oh, hey, you know, someone threw my shoe up there and I heard through a backstage. Could, could you go check for it?
[00:29:43] He's like, nah. So yeah, nobody, I, yeah, nobody would help me. And I left, it was, I don't know, it was like October or November. I, I don't remember what, when it was, but it was, it was pretty cold outside and, and I had had to go get some new shoes.
[00:29:57] Charles: Yeah. And you're like, you can't really walk very well with one shoe on. It's almost like you got to take them both off, you know.
[00:30:03] Jim: Very awkward, very awkward. I, I don't think I took both of them off. But you're right, I probably should have.
[00:30:08] Charles: Oh, my God, that, that is hilarious.
[00:30:12] Jim: Yeah, no, it was fun.
[00:30:13] Charles: Wow. So any anything else, Jim that you wanted to add, because that that kind of exhausted our list. At least that you filled out on our website.
[00:30:23] Jim: Yeah. I mean, there's so many, I could seriously go on for hours. There were a couple other notables that I forgot to mention. Maybe not forgot, but I don't know if you had to pick one of the ones that came to, I mentioned the ones that came to my mind first, but then I was looking through, through some tickets and I saw that there's this place in, at Dartmouth University, called Panarchy. Sounds kind of cheesy, but they view themselves as an alternative fraternity and they have rock shows. Sometimes they're local bands. Sometimes they're national acts and this was when The White Stripes were just getting huge on college radio.
[00:30:59] So as a Indy roc k lover or whatever you want to call yourself, I suppose some people would say hipsters or whatever. Seamsters. I don't know if hipster was a popular phrase, then. I went up there to see White Stripes in this frat house. It was like, you know, it was just like a spooky old frat house.
[00:31:17] And it was amazing. It was just him and Meg in a room at this frat house. And I, you know, I was standing right there. Like it was just him, drum kit, big muff pedal, twin reverb amp, that's it. That was really cool.
[00:31:30] Charles: Yeah, that, that would be something else.
[00:31:33] Jim: It was amazing. And I mean, it's not much of a story. It's just like it happened Like how cool is that? Can you imagine? And another, another one was one time when I was at the university, I mentioned that I went to the University of Vermont and um a friend of mine from who was at the mass the University of Massachusetts said Sonic Youth is playing here. Do you want to come down? And I said, yeah.
[00:31:53] I got a couple tickets. I talked to this other dude that lived in my dorm and we went down. But we teamed up with this, this guy, I had to get a ticket for this other guy so he could give us a ride. And this other guy was a jackass. I was with this guy, Marty McLaughlin, and I can't remember the other dude's name, cause he's a jackass and he wasn't my friend.
[00:32:12] And at the end of the show, we decided not to go back with the jackass. We decided to hitchhike from the University of Massachusetts all the way back up to the University of Vermont, which I don't know how many miles it is, but it's UVM is way up north in Vermont, in Burlington, so it took us, we actually did it, we got there by morning, and it was exhausting, but it was super fun. We laughed, we sang, we hitchhiked, and it was, the last ride was with this this this Rasta dude.
[00:32:42] We were just tired. We were just wiped out and this Rasta dude picks us up and he's playing some reggae jams on the thing. It's just like, no talking, just listening to some Rasta dude's reggae, rolling into Burlington, going back to the dorm and crashing. So yeah, there's so many stories. There's so many stories and then if you want to bring into like friends bands playing like that's another thing. Like it's just like it could go on forever and ever and ever.
[00:33:06] Charles: Yeah. I know like when I get together with my friends, some of which they, they go to a lot of shows and yeah, we, we, get going and yeah, we just talk for hours, just all kinds of crazy that we did together or that they did, you know, years later with other people.
[00:33:20] Jim: Mm.
[00:33:21] Charles: Yeah. but the White Stripes.
[00:33:23] Jim: Unbelievable.
[00:33:23] Charles: Yeah, they've been elusive for me. I went to the Reading Festival, gosh, I don't know when, that was a long time ago, they were still together, and that's when he broke his finger, he was in a car accident, I think with Renee Zellweger, they were dating. And so, they had to cancel, and I believe Beck to took their spot, which was, which was great.
[00:33:42] I had not seen Beck, but I wanted to see the White Stripes. And then uh, I was at Arizona State University where my wife was going to school and they were playing there. I didn't have tickets. I'm like, eh, we'll get tickets, just get one outside. And that was first concert where nobody, you know, this was pre-StubHub stuff, know, I think nobody was selling a ticket. I got totally shut out.
[00:34:06] Jim: Crazy unheard of.
[00:34:07] Charles: Yeah. I'd never experienced that before. I'd been to plenty of sold-out shows, go there the day of the show and he's unloading a couple of tickets.
[00:34:16] Jim: Ah huh.
[00:34:16] Charles: Nothing. Zero. And so, yeah, I never, I never did get to see them.
[00:34:20] Jim: It's crazy. I remember a time. This isn't white stripes, but it's back. You just mentioned back at one of those clubs that I mentioned on Lansdowne Street in Boston. I don't want to get anybody in trouble, but I would I went there. I had I had a ticket and I was with my friend Becca. Hey Becca and our friends had already gone in.
[00:34:41] I got a ticket from someone on the street. Actually, I think it was free and she was all upset She's like, oh just go in go in without me. I was like, oh no, no, we're gonna we're gonna try. I'll wait. And I went up to the door guy and I was just like I’ve got two people in one ticket. And he's just like just go back to, go to the back of the line and when you come in give me 20 bucks.
[00:34:59] Charles: Okay.
[00:35:00] Jim: Used to work at clubs. 20 bucks though. Can you imagine 20 bucks?
[00:35:04] Charles: I know that's, it's not, not a bad deal, I guess, right?
[00:35:07] Jim: That was a great deal
[00:35:10] Charles: I didn't know if you, if you wanted to chat about your podcast now, Jim.
[00:35:14] Jim: Yeah, sure. I mean we can.
[00:35:16] Charles: Yeah, it's Feel Free to Deviate, is the name of the podcast, right?
[00:35:20] Jim: Yeah.
[00:35:21] Charles: And you have 51 episodes. I looked and it's about people and their careers and their relationship with success.
[00:35:31] Jim: Mm hmm.
[00:35:31] Charles: Basically. Right?
[00:35:33] Jim: Yep. That's, that's pretty much it. Well, currently I'm, I'm on an extended hiatus that for weird personal reasons that I keep telling myself, oh, I'm going to start again. I'm going to start again. And I haven't. So now my goal is to start before the end of the year, but it'll probably start early next year if I start again, I don't know what's going to happen.
[00:35:50] The future. Future is very unclear at this at this point. But I started because I had lost my job. I was working for these guys for nine years at a company that makes visual portfolios for artists mostly photographers and architects and stuff like that. And yeah, I worked there for nine years and during covid the company downsized to one.
[00:36:12] So now it's a company still exists, but it's just my boss, my old boss And so I lost my job and I was thinking, okay, this is not going to be a problem. I have this crazy list of skills. Maybe I'll, I'll take a little time and then I'll, then I'll just start the job hunt. And I had very, very little, almost no, no work. And I was listening to tons of podcasts. So I thought, oh, you know, I can do this. I have a technical skills. I can make things sound pretty good and I have no problem talking.
[00:36:37] So, I started doing the podcast and I was super into it for, for a good long time. And uh, yeah, I talked to people. There was a dual purpose, like I, reconnecting with some people who I hadn't talked to for a while, but also more acquaintance, more acquaintances than actual friends talking, but people who, who I thought were successful in one way or another, or people who I admired how they balanced work and personal projects or, you know, it could be anything along those lines. And it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. Also, a tremendous amount of work. I don't know how, how many episodes you've, you've done or how long you've been doing this. It's,
[00:37:15] Charles: Yeah, that's, this will be like 27 or 28. Once this one's published.
[00:37:19] Jim: And how's it going?
[00:37:21] Charles: It's going all right. You know, we have loyal listeners, you know, from all over the world, really which is kind of cool. Like, wow, my my voice is being piped into somebody's where they live in Paris or Sydney, Australia.
[00:37:36] Jim: Totally crazy.
[00:37:37] Charles: It's nuts. Yeah. I can't You know, sometimes like believe that, but yeah, it's a, you know, we do like two weeks, every two weeks, an episode. I think that's kind of been working out for us, you know anything more than that, like a weekly thing would start to get to be kind of tough, I think.
[00:37:52] But yeah, I listened to a few of your episodes and you know, you seem to know a lot about a lot of things and I can tell you reflect on stuff like, well, maybe it's because of this, or maybe it's because I'm thinking that, you know, you're, you're very honest and reflect on lots of topics that are really quite varied.
[00:38:12] Jim: Thank you for noticing.
[00:38:14] Charles: Yeah. And one of your more recent guests, Eric Miller, like I mentioned, you, you were talking about knowledge gaps and such, and there was like some Beatles song that one of his students or something didn't realize it was a Beatles song. She thought it was the name of the person.
[00:38:31] Jim: Oh, oh, no. I think that was one of my friends, actually.
[00:38:34] Charles: Ok, well, maybe one of your friends. Yeah, sure. All right.
[00:38:36] Jim: Yeah, she's a good friend of mine, and she's in the 90s. Like, she grew up in her parents. Like, I just mentioned how my parents listened to the Beatles. Like, my parents were kind of hippies. They listened to the Beatles and classic rock. So that kind of fed into what my idea of what people would listen to would be.
[00:38:51] But her parents were classical, classical music people. So, she didn't grow up listening to basically any rock music, but when she was a teenager, she got hardcore into indie rock. And one of the bands she was into was Low. And they do this amazing, amazing cover of, of Long, Long, Long, which is a song on the White Album by George Harrison.
[00:39:14] And I was not familiar with Low, and I was hanging out with her, listening to that record, and I said, oh, this is a really good cover. And she said, oh, who, who, who did this? I was like, I, it just kind of blew my mind that this girl who was so into music, did not know the Beatles. Like every Beatles song.
[00:39:34] Charles: Yeah. That's funny. I, my niece, this was maybe, I don't know, 10 years ago. She was like in high school and she's playing me some of these bands. She lives in California. She was visiting and she's playing some of these bands. And listen, I go oh, wow. These, the lead, the singer here sounds a lot like Bob Dylan.
[00:39:51] And she goes, who? Who's Bob Dylan I'm like, okay. All right. Here, we've got to talk for a minute here. Who Bob Dylan is. But yeah, but no, it made me think too, like, you know, everybody kind of does this like last year I read this biography by Geezer Butler of Black Sabbath. And, he's talking about, I forget what album the song's on, but this song, cause he writes most of the lyrics for the songs.
[00:40:16] Jim: Oh, I didn't know that.
[00:40:17] Charles: Yeah, I didn't know that either.
[00:40:18] Jim: Knowledge gap.
[00:40:19] Charles: Yeah, knowledge gap. He's like the song Supernaut. Oh, you know, Ministry has a song by the same name. That's kind of a coincidence, you know? So, I go to YouTube and I, and I play it. I'm like, oh my God, this song is like from 1971 or early seventies. And I just thought it was a Ministry song all along, but, but then like, we were just talking that gets back to like my Mike Watt thing. You know, I, I saw Porno for Pyros, Mike Watt was probably standing right in front of me and.
[00:40:48] Jim: You had no idea.
[00:40:49] Charles: Didn't know who he was.
[00:40:51] Jim: Guy's a legend.
[00:40:51] Charles: Yeah, I know it's, it's crazy. Isn't it? But I guess it happens to all of us from time to time.
[00:40:58] Jim: And it's okay. It's great to have discoveries. I wish there were more discoveries. I used to work at a school and I thought it was so great. Like when I first started doing social media and I was friends with some of the students from school. So they're like basically 15 years younger than me or whatever. And like, they're posting online about how they're just discovering David Bowie records. It's just like, yeah, I wish I was just discovering David Bowie records. That's such a great thing to do.
[00:41:25] Charles: Yeah. One of my friends, we tease him because he's always about 20 years behind, you know, it seems. He's like, I listened to this guitarist from Texas, Stevie Ray Vaughan. You know, like, I think he might have been, you know, passed away by the like, are you serious? You know? But hey, he just, discovered Stevie Ray Vaughan, so.
[00:41:47] Jim: I was supposed to go see Stevie Ray Vaughan with my uncle, but he died like three weeks before the show.
[00:41:52] Charles: Oh God.
[00:41:53] Jim: Terrible.
[00:41:54] Charles: That was a terrible tragedy.
[00:41:56] Jim: For real.
[00:41:57] Charles: Awful way to go for sure.
[00:41:59] Jim: But I was definitely looking forward to that show.
[00:42:01] Charles: Yeah. I, I'd seen him a couple of times.
[00:42:03] Jim: Oh yeah?
[00:42:04] Charles: Prior to that. Yeah. And yeah, it was a great, great show. One was at a free Chicago blues festival in Grant Park in Chicago. And it used to be huge. Now it's a much smaller festival, but he was like the main act. And yeah, it was, it was unbelievable.
[00:42:23] We had stayed out all day, like to have first row, these like crappy benches with no back support on them, you know? People were just sitting on. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want us to stay? No, probably not. Here's a slab of wood. Sit on it for 10 hours. So, when did you start your podcast, Jim.
[00:42:44] Jim: I want to say 2021 or 22. And for a while in the beginning, I was doing two times a week. Then I had a mini hiatus and then I started again and it was two times, sometimes once a month, it became very inconsistent. Then I had a major renovation in the house and some serious problems with a contractor, and I just kind of freaked out and I stopped doing everything.
[00:43:06] Not everything, but you know, like I didn't go to the hospital or anything. I just I just I decided it was it was too much. Like you mentioned doing one a week would be would just would be too much work. And I was having that two a week.
[00:43:19] And I'm thinking that if I start up again, because of the fact that it's so much work, and I feel like I'm constantly trying to grow it. And it is growing and it was growing it's not now it was growing but so incrementally that I would slow down, change the format a little bit, keep the theme and go once a month and maybe have some other angle on the same theme.
[00:43:43] Charles: Well, it covers some interesting topics. And I think it's very well done, episodes I listened to. So yeah, but I understand, you know, it is a lot of work.
[00:43:52] Jim: Sometimes it's thankless. Sometimes it's great. It's really nice when people contact you contact you and they, you can tell that they got something out of it and they listened and yeah, you can tell they appreciate it. I had, I have a few super fans and I really enjoy interacting with them and I'm sorry to them for not posting anything new, but someday something will come back.
[00:44:14] Charles: I, you know, there's some podcasts I, I listened to that I don't know what their frequency is, their cadence and, you know, and it pops up on my phone. And I'm like, Oh, cool. Another episode. I didn't notice it was like, oh, this one is three weeks after the other one or, you know I just, I'm happy that there's another episode to listen to.
[00:44:33] But yeah, I understand. It can be a lot, to do it regularly and such. You know, we struggle with that as well. But anyway, Jim, any other comments about concerts or anything? You going to anything coming up? You seeing anybody or?
[00:44:48] Jim: I don't have anything in the pipeline. I haven't been going to shows a lot lately, unfortunately. The last thing I saw was the OCs, I think. And that was, maybe it was last summer, I think. And there's no particular reason. There were a couple shows that I was supposed to go to and then it just didn't happen. I went to one show, with my kids a Japanese band of young women called Otoboke Beaver and that was super fun.
[00:45:15] Very high energy, a little bit intense for small children. But they love it because it's so fast. It's like, and yeah, the kids love it, but the crowd was a little bit too rowdy. So, but the people, it was great. The people at the, at the Row Town in, here in Rotterdam, let the kids sit on the bar. So that was really nice.
[00:45:33] Charles: Get above the crowd a little bit.
[00:45:35] Jim: Yeah, exactly. So they got to see and they got to hear and I think that they dug it and I'm looking forward to going to more shows with them. Yeah, I don't I don't have anything in the pipeline. My wife and I were talking recently. Nick Cave is is, is coming around again and we might try to go see him.
[00:45:51] Charles: Yeah. I've, I've never seen him in, in, yeah, they just announced two shows here in Chicago, Nick Cave. And, but it's like during the week, I think.
[00:45:59] Jim: It's probably worth it.
[00:46:01] Charles: Yeah, it's just we have a dog, you know, and, and it's hard to sneak back into the house at 11:30 at night during the week without waking up the whole house. But yeah, I don't know. I would like to see him.
[00:46:12] Jim: I've seen him before. I missed a couple shows of his for various travel reasons. But, think I only saw him once. Oh, no, no, no, no. I saw him at a Lollapalooza. And then I saw him in Boston at I think the Orpheum or think it was at the Orpheum, which is like a kind of a theater concert venue thing. And yeah, it's kind of what you would expect.
[00:46:31] Charles: I'm sure it would be very entertaining.
[00:46:33] Jim: It's great. High production quality and, you know, amazing execution.
[00:46:37] Charles: Yeah. Well, maybe I'll, I'll sneak out on a school night.
[00:46:40] Jim: Give it a shot.
[00:46:41] Charles: Anything else uh, you'd like to plug, Jim? You got a lot on your website.
[00:46:45] Jim: I do. Yeah, I mean, I make videos. I make photos. I guess I'm kind of picky about the, the sort of things that I do because I don't like to photograph just anything. People say, Oh, you're a photographer. You, you know, do you do weddings? Like, no, I'll never do a wedding. I hate weddings. So yeah, which is, you know, I guess, talk about success and failure and careers.
[00:47:04] Like I kind of shot myself in the foot by putting so many of my eggs in the photography basket. But I don't like photographing anything that, that I don't like photographing and I, I just don't do it. But yeah, I, I photograph things on occasion. I'll photograph the right event, but it has to be the right event.
[00:47:21] I like, I really, I like making videos. I used to make a lot of instructional videos for, for the, the web company that I worked for. And currently I work for a headphone store called the Sound Kitchen and in Rotterdam. If you like good coffee and you want to buy high end headphones. I'm there sometimes, but you know, contact me first. So, you get in there when I'm there and we can chat, drink some coffee, talk about concerts or whatever.
[00:47:45] Charles: Yeah. Yeah. So, it's your website is jimturbert.com.
[00:47:49] Jim: Yeah, yeah. I also got jtfanclub.com. That's the old art. The old art. Like, that's before I had a gray beard. That's pretty much it. Just trying to keep it together. Trying to make my way in the world.
[00:48:00] Charles: Yeah. No, I encourage people to check it out. You've got some cool stuff there. Some cool photographs and, the podcast is, is interesting. I, you know, just scratched the surface with like recent, like three episodes. So there's a lot of stuff there to check out.
[00:48:16] Jim: 51 episodes.
[00:48:17] Charles: Yeah. Yeah. 51 episodes. So that's pretty impressive. Well, Jim, this has been fantastic. I'm glad you carved out time in your Saturday evening because you're seven hours ahead of us here in Chicago.
[00:48:30] Jim: Yes, it is currently 7 o'clock.
[00:48:32] Charles: Okay, well, I appreciate it. I hear you have a party going on over there in the basement. So you had to relocate for this.
[00:48:38] Jim: My daughter has several screaming 13-year-olds in the house. It's wonderful.
[00:48:44] Charles: I had the same thing last weekend actually, so.
[00:48:47] Jim: Can be intense, the sound. It's just like, turn it down. It's very intense.
[00:48:52] Charles: I really appreciate you uh, relocating and, and being able to do this interview with that going on.
[00:48:59] Jim: The pleasure was all mine.
[00:49:00] Charles: We'll, uh, get this published and everybody listening will, laugh at that, that Nirvana story as I did.
[00:49:07] Jim: Good, good.
[00:49:08] Charles: And, yeah again, thanks for your time.
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Jim:
All right, cool. Thank you.