In this episode of "Seeing Them Live", Charles welcomes Andy, an avid concert-goer, to share his memorable live music experiences. Andy recounts a particularly chaotic Grateful Dead show, revealing the unexpected circumstances that led him to walk away from a second-row ticket. The conversation explores Andy's extensive ticket stub collection and the sentimental value he attaches to physical tickets. The hosts delve into Andy's concert history, discussing his first show and exploring the unique social protocols at Grateful Dead concerts. The episode concludes with reflections on the evolving landscape of ticketing.
In this episode of "Seeing Them Live," Charles welcomes guest Andy to share memorable concert stories. Andy discusses his extensive collection of concert ticket stubs, mentioning that he has about 350 concert stubs and over 125 stubs from other events. The conversation takes a nostalgic turn as they reminisce about concerts they attended together since seventh grade.
Charles asks Andy about his first concert, and Andy's unique response involves distinguishing between tickets with stubs and those without. He reflects on his early concert experiences, particularly at Chicago Fest, where he saw acts like the Greg Kihn Band and the Joe Perry Project. The discussion delves into the significance of ticket stubs as memory triggers, providing insight into the concerts and events they attended.
The conversation also touches on the value of concert tickets as collectibles. Andy shares that some of his Grateful Dead tickets from the 1980s are now worth more as collectibles than the original ticket prices. The mention of different venues and festivals like Chicago Fest sparks memories of specific shows and experiences, including encounters with iconic musicians like Muddy Waters.
The conversation transitions to discussing the unique aspects of certain concerts, such as the legendary "wall of sound" designed by Owsley Bear Stanley for the Grateful Dead. Andy explains that, while he didn't witness the wall of sound, it was a significant part of the band's history. The discussion also covers social protocols at concerts, including designated areas for different groups of fans, such as the "deaf zone" for those going deaf and the presence of spinners (dancers).
As the episode progresses, the hosts explore Andy's decision to swear off heavy metal concerts and share anecdotes from specific shows, both positive and challenging. The episode concludes with a brief mention of the Ticket Stub Museum, a concept introduced by the hosts, and the idea of incorporating personal stories or notations for each ticket in the museum. They express enthusiasm for the tangible and sentimental value of physical ticket stubs in contrast to digital ticketing.
Bands Mentioned: Almond Brothers, Bob Dylan, Bob Weir, Grateful Dead, Greg Kihn Band, Iggy Pop, Jane's Addiction, Jason and the Scorchers, Jerry Garcia Band, Jethro Tull, Joe Perry Project, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, Neil Young, Phil Lesh, Ramones, REM, Santana, Slayer, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Moody Blues, Vulgar Boatmen.
Venues Mentioned: Alpine Valley (mentioned in connection with Iron Maiden), Champaign (general reference), Chicago Fest, Chicago Theater, International Amphitheater (mentioned in connection with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest), Las Vegas (mentioned in connection with Bobby Weir), Mabel's (venue in Champaign, mentioned in connection with Otis and the Elevators), Salt Shed (King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard concert), Soldier Field (mentioned in connection with Chicago Fest with Stevie Ray Vaughan), UIC Pavilion.
[00:00:00] Charles: Welcome to another episode of Seeing Them Live, a podcast featuring memorable concert stories from live music fans. Everyone has a concert story and hopefully one day we'll hear yours. Our guest today is Andy.
[00:00:28] Andy: I had a horrible show that was honestly one of my worst Dead shows, out of 69 of 'em was when I had a second-row ticket. I had to walk away because it was such mayhem.
[00:00:37] Charles: I've known Andy since I think seventh grade. Is that...
[00:00:40] Andy: That's what I was telling my wife, Charles, I believe seventh grade in there, or in Ms. Okasako's math class, I believe is when we first started talking about concerts.
[00:00:50] Charles: Wow, I would have never pulled that name out. Yeah, so, we've been to a lot of concerts. In fact, as an aside, trying to figure out how many, that might take some doing. But, when we have people on, Doug and I always ask, what was your first concert?
[00:01:05] When I asked you that, because I didn't know that, surprisingly, having known you all these years, you came back with an interesting response. You said, "Ticket stub or no ticket stub?" And I was like, huh, I wouldn't have categorized it like that. So, why don't you just kind of talk about that a little bit, Andy.
[00:01:24] Andy: Again, when we first started going to concerts and hearing things, and again, one of the things you talked about was stubs that you first started collecting, and somehow, I have Cub stubs from when I was eight years old. Those were the first ones that I ever saved. Yeah, I've had, I've had those the whole time.
[00:01:40] And then, when me and one of our common friends, we'd go to Chicago Fest and those were no tickets. And so that's when I said, because our first time was, I think in like 1980 was Chicago Fest was we saw the Greg Kihn Band and the Joe Perry Project.
[00:01:57] Charles: Okay.
[00:01:58] Andy: And we didn't have stubs and that was why I was always sort of worried in my little collecting thing. I go, well, we don't get stubs to Chicago Fest. And then later, the next year I went down to Champaign and saw the Moody Blues for the first time and had my first official concert stub. So, that's why I always considered "stub or no stub" was Chicago Fest, which for us was a pretty big deal of seeing live music for, a lot of first times was no stub. But then one where I sort of forgot a lot about, me and my wife were talking, the stubs bring back the memories of putting the whole shows together.
[00:02:33] Charles: Yeah, exactly. And, when I look at some of my ticket stubs, I was like, wow, I really don't have any recollection of that concert. And so, talk with you or somebody says, oh yeah, that was one, you know, we went there and we did this. But, one of our first guests, or the first guest Tom Fitzer, unfortunately his girlfriend threw out all of his ticket stubs. So, he is kind of foggy as to when he went to some of these shows. So yes, it's a great reference tool, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
[00:03:07] Andy: I reference it all the time as you know, I get that in between and lucky enough and me and you've spoke to where I journalized for about four or five years during these years too, so we can actually go back and find out who we went with and that's really cool because again certain people I wasn't even at that show. I go I sure got you at that show and they're like, oh wow, you know. So, between those two things is how me and you have spoke where I get a pretty good recollection of what's going on and remembering it and coming up with sort of archives in my head.
[00:03:35] Doug: Andy, you were mentioning about Chicago Fest, that was one of my favorite venues to go to, because you could see a lot of bands. This is how I got around the issue of not having a ticket stub, is I kept the programs. I still have some Chicago Fest programs. And, for our listeners, we'll put it on our website as an artifact for this particular episode. But, this is how you get around it. And here they had the entire schedule there and everything.
[00:04:04] Andy: That's bringing back a blast. It was so hard just to bring stuff back then. Again, when I was 15 or 16, I just guess I'm lucky I still got the stubs 'cause, there, again, I got a lot of pamphlets like that, but that's great. Because now again, as me and Chuck have found out, when you go back, now we're, sitting here, you go to set lists and that's how I've been able to get some Chicago Fest set lists from back then and finding out which year is going back using that. It's a great resource.
[00:04:29] Charles: Yeah, that's an awesome resource. And Doug, how many of those do you have?
[00:04:33] Doug: It looks like I have two of them here.
[00:04:35] Charles: Okay.
[00:04:35] Andy: What years are those Doug?
[00:04:36] Doug: One of them is 1980. And 1979. Those are the two that I have: 79 and 80. So that fits right in the time period that you're talking about.
[00:04:44] Andy: Yeah. Well, those are great. Again, Chuck, did, did you go to the one at soldier field? The Chicago fest with Stevie Ray?
[00:04:52] Charles: No, I didn't. I remember you guys went to that concert. That's when they kind of re imagined Chicagofest from Navy Pier.
[00:04:59] Andy: That was a strange one. Again, that was another, I don't, I don't have a stub for that one either.
[00:05:04] Charles: Yeah. So...
[00:05:05] Andy: Those are weird ones. And again, it's sort of strange because those are ones I don't remember as well, either. Some of them. The first one I remember really well, just cause it was some of the first live rock and roll I really saw close up, because we got real close to Greg Kinn and Joe Perry.
[00:05:18] And it was, it was cool. That was, you know, the thing. And then, when we were leaving, our buddy, Jeff is a big blues guy. So we were seeing mighty Joe Young. And then we found out we had to go meet his sister for the ride home, and that was when Muddy Waters was coming out and we were walking out.
[00:05:34] So, all we ever saw was the beginning of Muddy Waters, walking out saying, "Here he is, Chicago's very great..." and then we're, I'll see you later. And then never got to see him again.
[00:05:42] Charles: Yeah, your ride was leaving, right? So had to bail on, on Muddy.
[00:05:46] And then Andy, like with regard to ticket stubs, cause I know you have a massive collection and kept them archived way better than I do in my Ziploc sandwich bags. Some of these things are getting to be worth some money, you were saying.
[00:06:02] Andy: Well, Charles, I was doing a little research again, just because I knew some of mine. I have Grateful Dead tickets from when I saw New Year's where again, that ticket in 1985, that ticket is worth more now as a collectible than what I paid for it to go to the show in Oakland.
[00:06:17] But then there's some, and I saw one of them when I was just flipping through and there's a wild one too on eBay. But like a Ramone's, last Ramones ticket's going for like $1,500 bucks and stuff. The last Dead ticket is going for about four to $500, depending on your shape. You know, tickets turn into collectibles. They're grading 'em now too, is what I found out.
[00:06:36] Charles: Kind of like comic books?
[00:06:38] Andy: Yeah, like comic books and cards and everything. So, they're doing tickets now and it's a huge thing. Which is pretty wild, but hopefully I got some money in them. Because again, I tell my wife, I go, even at five bucks a piece, I counted them up yesterday, Charles, I have 350 concert stubs and over 125, just other events stubs in my photo albums.
[00:06:59] Doug: You put us to shame.
[00:07:01] Charles: That's a lot. Yeah.
[00:07:04] Andy: In a weird world, Doug, I've been always scared to count them and put it all together. I've always counted my Dead shows and everything else like that. But I never, till yesterday, put them all together and sat there and counted everyone and tried to come up with a pretty decent number. I don't know why, if I was scared or not, but you know.
[00:07:22] Charles: The reality of how many shows you've been to, at least with the ticket stubs.
[00:07:26] Andy: Yeah.
[00:07:26] Charles: Now also, you mentioned just now that the Grateful Dead and, I would definitely classify you as a deadhead and all the other spinoffs of the Grateful Dead. So, of those 300 and some odd ticket stubs you have Andy, how many are Grateful Dead related?
[00:07:44] Andy: Probably, at least about a hundred Chuck. Like we said, when I went and saw Bob Weir this last year and Phil Lesh, both of them were right about a hundred.
[00:07:52] Charles: Okay.
[00:07:52] Andy: And I've seen Jerry... I've seen the Dead 69 times; Jerry another five times with the Garcia Band. Then, with the add-ons with Bob and Phil, I've seen them about a hundred times each. So, they're at the top of my thing. And again, in my eyes, I really don't consider myself a crazy Deadhead, but yeah, I'm a pretty solid one, I guess.
[00:08:12] But I've seen a lot of other bands a lot of times. I've seen, the Almond Brothers, I think about 15 or 16 times. I've seen Neil young, about a dozen; Bob Dylan, I think eight or nine times; Santana three or four; Stevie Ray Vaughan, I believe five times. There's some, I've seen, try Jethro Tull I've seen like three or four or two. You know, some of our favorites.
[00:08:35] But then some of my favorite shows are the ones that you've dragged me to that I, you know, didn't expect I'd ever enjoy. So, I have to give yourself kudos for helping me open my music horizons, definitely in concerts where, you know, Jane's Addiction, I would have never found or an REM. Those, are on my favorite, top 10 concert lists almost out of these.
[00:08:53] Charles: Yeah, you could go to a concert by yourself, but it's always, I think, better to drag someone with you.
[00:08:59] Andy: Oh, well, yeah, as you were saying in your notes on pre stuff of, what does it make a good show. You know, again, it's everything put together really, it's like four or five things put together to see how good and things vary to make it how good it is. Because I've had a real good time at shows, and I've been at a Phil Les show and had a great time by myself. But then again, I knew what I was doing and everything else. And I, I knew the venue and I knew the act and I knew most of the things and had a good state of mind. So you put all that together and that sort of makes your show.
[00:09:28] Charles: Yeah. Cause I know, in particular, the Grateful Dead, there's maybe thousands or a thousand bootleg tapes, I guess. And, some of those recordings are considered, the great recordings of the band. And then when you went to see them, was there anything in particular that would stand out? With a good, Dead show.
[00:09:49] Andy: Again, a lot of times it was just the quality of the music. How Jerry and the guys were playing and that. But then there was times where, as you know, if you're close up to a band, it's a lot better than being far away most times. But we've been at the Grateful Dead at the, UIC where I walked away from second row tickets right there for a set, because it was just so crazy.
[00:10:09] Charles: Yeah.
[00:10:10] Andy: I had a horrible show. That was honestly one of my worst dead shows out of 69 of them was when I had a second-row ticket and had to walk away because it was such mayhem.
[00:10:18] Charles: It was people just like crawling over the seats and there was way too many people in that space I would agree.
[00:10:26] Andy: Yeah. So, honestly, when I was thinking of worst shows, I go, that's one of my worst Dead shows was that because the whole first set was shot. Yeah. I was with my girlfriend, walked away and everything. But it worked out okay because I gave our buddy Scanny and, some rugby player my tickets and told them to go up there and have some fun and, you know, they did.
[00:10:43] So yeah, I ended up with 20th row tickets. But it's weird because that was what made it a bad show. It wasn't the music or anything. It was just the aspects of the outside getting involved.
[00:10:52] Charles: Yeah, and I think we should talk about, not necessarily a bad show, but , we're gonna take a break here, and when we come back, Andy's gonna tell us he's sworn off an entire music genre, and we're gonna hear what that is in just a minute.
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[00:11:47] All right. We're back again here with Andy and we're talking about, not so pleasant experiences at a concert, even with good seats. And, we were talking a while ago about how you kind of swore off an entire genre of concerts, at least music. What is that, Andy?
[00:12:07] Andy: Well, again, it used to be one of my favorite ones when I was a teenager, but I swore off heavy metal. Because one of my, teacher friends he's a big heavy metal guy and he keeps wanting to go because he knows I'm a concert guy.
[00:12:19] And, I finally had to tell him, I'm done going to metal shows and I'm not going anymore. And then you were amused by it. Then that was funny because next thing you know, we go to King Gizzard and they do three or four metal songs off their whole metal album, which I really enjoyed.
[00:12:35] Yeah, it's tough. But again, I don't want to say it, but again, I've been to this Slayer concert just honestly five six years ago, and it was enough to where, I don't need to see that anymore. But again, the aspect of sitting in a box seeing it and people watching is different than being in the pit with it too, so.
[00:12:51] Charles: Right.
[00:12:52] Andy: Again, I don't see enough concerts now to where I honestly can say, I'll swear it off for a while and just see what happens and see if you can drag me out of it.
[00:13:00] Charles: Yeah, I agree. The one time I was with a friend of ours, I think you were at the show at Iron Maiden, Judas Priest at the International Amphitheater in Chicago.
[00:13:11] Our friend got into a fight with this guy who just basically, was just looking for trouble. Fortunately, nobody got really hurt or anything. But, the M 80's blowing off over your head at Alpine Valley during Iron Maiden. I keep bringing up Iron Maiden, I guess. I'm wearing an Iron Maiden shirt right now.
[00:13:29] I mean, it's like you got to go into it kind of prepared. And you're right. Like, are you down in it or are you kind of removed? And yeah, you and I, we went to see King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard at the Salt Shed in Chicago.
[00:13:45] And I was describing them, they're prolific in they're recording and they span all sorts of musical genres. And, some of their songs kind of reminded me of the Allman brothers or Frank Zappa, sort of, and they came out with these four blazing metal songs.
[00:14:03] Gila Monster, Converge Planet B, and Mars for the Rich. And then, I went back, and I kind of started listening to those cause I would consider myself a novice in the King Gizzard universe.
[00:14:18] But yeah, that Planet B song, that's like straight up motorhead, in my opinion. But it was kind of cool, wasn't it? It was kind of a Dead crowd, Grateful Dead. So, I saw a lot of Dead shirts and stuff.
[00:14:29] Andy: They were a very unique show, powerful. Again, that was one of those things that was really cool to go see and it was good music. And, it was something that was as good as I thought it was going to be. And again, in the pouring rain and everything else, that was one of the best new shows I've seen probably in a decade.
[00:14:45] Charles: Yeah. They were great musicians. Virtuosos at every level. So yeah, that was our dose of Metal, and we didn't even know we were going to get it. That was kind of cool. What else could we talk about Andy? We've got, a few minutes left here.
[00:14:59] Doug: I have a couple of questions.
[00:15:00] Charles: Yeah, Doug.
[00:15:01] Doug: I got a couple of questions about Dead shows. Now I have to admit, I'm not a big Dead fan. It's not that I don't like them. It's just that I've never got into it as much as you are. But I did some reading on them. And one of the things that was interesting to me was that, I guess back in 1965, the guy that supplied them with LSD became their sound man. Owsley Bear Stanley. And he designed this huge wall of 500 speakers. Did you see that at the shows that you went to?
[00:15:36] Andy: They got rid of it. There's pieces that they just auctioned off not too long ago of that. But no, they quit using that when they broke up, I believe in '75, '76, when they went on hiatus. And they put it in storage and they didn't bring it out because it was such a big deal to travel around with.
[00:15:51] Because I believe it was like two or three semis worth and this and that, and after that. So, I didn't get to see the wall of sound as they called it. And, I have a picture in my garage of, framed of, Phil Lesh sitting there playing in front of it. And that's one of the mythic things that Owsley did with the dead was besides, making some great stuff, he was also a great sound guy.
[00:16:12] Doug: Yeah, I mean the picture I saw which we'll share a link on our website to it. It's pretty amazing. It is literally a wall of speakers.
[00:16:20] The other question I had is apparently, the social protocol at the shows was such that they actually had different areas for people. So, they had what they called the deaf zone for people that were going deaf. They reserved this area where they could go up and be close to the speaker. So even though they couldn't hear very well they felt the vibrations or something. Did you witness anything like that in any of the shows that you went to?
[00:16:46] Andy: In certain venues, they had certain things like that. And again, some were unofficial where they had the people down in the corners, like in Alpine Valley.
[00:16:53] But a lot of times with the Deadheads, there were spinners over there too, in the same little area. But at certain ones, they had the sober areas also, with the Dead, with the Warf Rats, where all the sober Deadheads would congregate and hang out and do together. Then they also had the taper sections.
[00:17:08] So there was about four or five different segmented areas at dead shows where certain missions of groups of people would go and hang out and enjoy their show to make it a safe place for them.
[00:17:19] Doug: So, you called spinners. Can you explain what that is?
[00:17:22] Andy: Those are usually the hardcore hippies that really are not even watching the show at all. They're just spin dancing on the side of the stage, usually in the deep corners where they can sit there and fully spin dance around and they're just free form dancing and moving around it.
[00:17:37] Yeah. You still see them today too, Doug. When I was in Las Vegas at, what was the deal, it was the old Hard Rock where I saw Bobby Weir just in October. There were still spin dancers way on the third level, just sitting there spinning around and it's a pretty unique thing because I know they have them at couple of like Fish shows, they have them and stuff. But, it's pretty unique to those kinds of jam band guys where there's an area where the spinners sit there and go.
[00:17:58] Doug: Well, that's great. Well, that's all I had Chuck, if you want to pick it up from there.
[00:18:03] Charles: Yeah. Yeah, we've got maybe a few more minutes here now.
[00:18:07] Andy: Charles, you talk about, storing your tickets. Again, that's something where I put 'em in these magnetic photo albums. I got four of 'em filled. But, most people like yourself, I find out have them in plastic baggies. Like our buddy Louie has them in his plastic baggies and all, and most people do. But there are things they've made in the back of Rolling Stone. I probably saw 15, 20 years ago where they had little slides for them and everything else. But I've never seen anybody have them. I guess I'm not a person of realist social media to see anybody showing off their stuff like that. But yeah.
[00:18:37] Charles: Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because Doug has created on our website this ticket stub museum.
[00:18:44] Doug: If you could share any of yours Andy, that'd be great. If you have a way of either taking a photo or scanning them.
[00:18:51] Andy: Yeah, no problem.
[00:18:51] Doug: We could add them to the ticket stub museum, and certainly, we'll call it the Andy Collection. But, if you can get that to us, that would be great.
[00:19:00] Andy: Definitely, I'll get you some of my better ones. The Grateful Dead made some really nice ones. And I got a nice Allman Brother straight from their ticket venue on their last tour, when they came to the Chicago theater and everything. I got some pretty nice, unique tickets. My rarest one is probably one of my junkiest ones is from one of the last Ottis and the Elevators show, we saw where they open up for the Vulgar Boatman.
[00:19:19] Charles: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:20] Andy: For all the times we've seen them, they're a local band that we've saw a bunch of times from Champagne and they did a lot of openings for acts up here in Chicago in the late 80s early 90s. Yeah, I pulled that one off the floor just so I would have a ticket stub from our favorite local band, and it's probably one of my most beat up ones.
[00:19:38] Charles: Yeah.
[00:19:38] Andy: It's one of my most revered in a way.
[00:19:41] Charles: Yeah, we should someday talk about Otis and the Elevators, the band from Champaign during our college era there. We were kind of crazy about that band. But, because they played a warmup show for, they opened for what Stevie Ray Vaughan and like you said, the Vulgar Boatmen and some of these other shows. And yeah, you don't have a ticket stub, because we were on, usually on the guest list. Which is a whole another aspect of, trying to remember things.
[00:20:10] And they have this thing called a gigography. Where somebody had kept track of every single gig they ever played, which was awesome from a historical standpoint to know which show you attended because there were certain times where we unveiled t-shirts and stuff.
[00:20:26] Andy: Then we can bring out a bunch of those Mabel's old newspapers with some really cool acts in them also where, you know...
[00:20:33] Charles: Mabel in Champagne, it was a venue where it was fairly large. I don't know how many people it held. I'd say at least a few hundred, I don't know.
[00:20:41] Andy: Say three, 400.
[00:20:42] Charles: Yeah.
[00:20:43] Andy: Again, one of my worst concert Charles, I put our old Jason and the Scorcher show on there where Otis opened up, where, remember we were having a fun time at that show.
[00:20:51] Charles: Yeah. I thought they were pretty good, Jason and the Scorchers. I don't know if there were a lot of people there to see Jason or Otis. It was probably a toss-up.
[00:21:00] Andy: But those would be good to talk about too. But I'd definitely like to scan some of this stuff in for you guys and then we can put it out on your site and get a little visuals and everything else.
[00:21:08] Charles: And I was gonna say, Andy, if you have any ideas about the Ticket Stub Museum, because like I was saying, Doug, he scanned them, but we were thinking maybe incorporate a blurb about a particular Ticket Stub, this was the last Grateful Dead show, or, the Ramones show those kinds of notations beneath them. Kind of like you would see in a regular museum when you're looking at a painting or something. You know, what is this particular concert represent, or maybe it was my first concert or what have you.
[00:21:42] Andy: Yeah definitely. That sounds like great stuff. I just love talking about these tickets and concerts, because it's something where, I've done it all my life and I never thought it was going to be anything, but now it sort of tells the story of my life. Glad I did.
[00:21:54] Charles: Yeah. It is a cool way to kind of document where it's a little piece, a reminder of, that era and, how your musical tastes, change. Like you're saying, we started getting into Jane's Addiction, Iggy Pop, R.E.M., Otis and the Elevators. You know, local band? So yeah, it's a good way to document your life in a lot of ways.
[00:22:17] Doug: Yeah. We've discussed this before, how it's kind of sad now that with the digital ticketing, you don't get anything physical anymore. If any promoters or venue owners ever listen to this podcast, one of the things that I would recommend, even if you offered it almost as like a little extra premium or something, is get back to trying to give people physical tickets.
[00:22:41] This is also true when I went for the first time at a World Series when the Cubs got into the World Series, it was the same story where, it was digital ticketing. And I found there was a site that will give you like a ticket mock up. So, you have something. But that's something that it'd be nice if venues at least offered that as an option or a backup for people that go to live music. So, they have some sort of a physical memory of their attendance at a show.
[00:23:10] Andy: I've seen a couple of that starting to come around, Doug. I'm starting to see, I forgot where it was. I don't know. It was in, you know, I'm a subscriber of Relics, you know, the magazine online, they send you all the good jam band shows and things coming up. And there was a venue that had limited edition hard tickets for you to get for, I think it was like an extra 25 bucks or something.
[00:23:30] But again, me and Charles have talked about how I've been taking screenshots of the ticket to save it. But then you got to email it to yourself, then you got to crop it and then you got to do it, and that's the only way I've seen how to do it right now, but I'm already like 10 shows behind already. I got them on my phone. I haven't done it.
[00:23:47] And it's just one of those where again, the old hard ticket of some nice little artwork on it or something, or even your bad Ticket Tron ticket was something to make it the hard thing.
[00:23:56] As me and Charles were talking where I was at the library a bunch of years ago, when I picked up the Joey Ramone autobiography, and he had a ticket stub at the top of every one of his chapters. And he talked about how important they were to him. And he was one of the first persons where, had the same thing going on in their brain as I was; how it just brought back the memories and stuff of that.
[00:24:18] And then he talked about it really well in there. And, I thought that was really neat. I never knew anything much about Joey Ramone and I wish I would've seen him. But I thought it was really neat to how he was another person that kept all his tickets from when he was a kid and a teenager, of all his shows, and thought how important they were to him.
[00:24:37] Charles: Yeah, that's cool. I've been meaning to pick up that book just for that reason. I'd like just to see how he has that arranged in that book.
[00:24:44] Well, we're coming up on time here, Andy. Is there anything you'd like to add? We just scratched the surface, man. I mean we could definitely do a part two, part three, you know maybe talk about these ticket stubs some more. Anything else you'd like to add Andy, before we sign off here?
[00:25:01] Andy: No, I just really enjoyed talking with you guys and meeting Doug. And again, anything you guys want to talk about concert stubs and everything else.
[00:25:08] I did my little investigating and again counting stubs and everything really brought me back yesterday. Sort of, you know, reality and unreality.
[00:25:17] Charles: Yeah, we would definitely do this again. And, I enjoyed our interview and thanks for taking the time out and chatting with us and sharing your concert experiences with us.
[00:25:27] Andy: Sounds great. And again, send me that link and I'll do some scanning for you guys. I'd love to have some additions to the ticket Stub Hall of Fame you've got going.
[00:25:34] Charles: We will, we'll make sure to do that. Thanks again. And I think that's it, Doug.
[00:25:40] Andy: That's a wrap for our show. I want to thank today's guests for sharing their concert stories with us.
[00:25:46] Make sure to check out our show notes at seeingthemlive.com for links to websites, photos, and other artifacts mentioned in the show. I also want to thank my producer, Doug Florzak. The theme music for the show was composed by Doug. And is featured on his album, Flagstone. If you have a concert story you'd like to share on our podcast, please visit our website and click on "Become a Guest" in the main menu. Then, fill out the form and click the submit button.
[00:26:19] If you seem like a good fit for the show, we'll contact you via email. I guess it's time to head for the exits. We'll see you next time on Seeing Them Live.